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Unread 09-22-2013, 05:24 PM
VegeKev VegeKev is offline
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Hey Benly people,

Would anyone have a spare transmission locating pin lying around?
After stripping the bottom end on the weekend I found that the countershaft locating pin had been 'bent' towards the outside of the hole it sits in.
When I removed the pin it has actually been squished and will need replacing.

Any ideas how/why this could happen?

Thanks,
Kev.
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Unread 09-23-2013, 02:25 AM
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Hey Benly people,

Would anyone have a spare transmission locating pin lying around?
After stripping the bottom end on the weekend I found that the countershaft locating pin had been 'bent' towards the outside of the hole it sits in.
When I removed the pin it has actually been squished and will need replacing.

Any ideas how/why this could happen?

Thanks,
Kev.
Will look if I get the chance, busy getting ready for a trip to the States leaving in 48 hours.

Sam.
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Unread 09-23-2013, 08:49 AM
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Sounds like the engine locked up whilst in gear. I don't believe this to be a oil hole so you might try a pin made from locally acquired 4130 steel or similar. I'd carefully inspect the gear teeth and contact faces.
Looking forward to Sam coming to my part of the world to do some racing... sadly his last outing according to his FB posts- it'll be good to meet him tho, even in white leathers (him not me).
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Unread 09-23-2013, 11:38 AM
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Pin on its way in the morning.
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Unread 09-24-2013, 12:46 AM
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Thank once again Sam!

I'm thinking that when I'm finished the ol' girl she might have to have to be sign written "Sponsored by Sam Green Racing"!

Larz- sounds like some racing photos may be coming?....maybe??

Cheers,
Kev.
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Unread 09-24-2013, 01:20 AM
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Never been able to figure out how to post pics on here Kev but you can find me (and Larz) on Facebook, Search Sam Green or Sam Green Racing.

Sam.
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Unread 09-24-2013, 06:50 AM
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Kev should be getting my card and his cover just about any day-
KaizenVintageMoto on facebook for the rest of you-
Race photos ... you bet, an epic occasion Sam's "retirement", secretly wishing I could take the reins...
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Unread 09-24-2013, 10:10 AM
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Might let you take it round the pits but only on tick over.

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Unread 09-24-2013, 04:10 PM
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I'm quite sure your leathers won't fit...
Hell I'd be happy to wipe your tires! Looking forward to seein you and the mosheen.
Give me call once you get in the area 727-453-8048.
"Sponsor in Spirit"-Larz
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Unread 09-24-2013, 04:11 PM
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Here's a couple of photos showing the damage to the pin, and the resulting rubbing to the cranckcases...

I'm not too concerned about the gears themselves as I have a CA95 trans to go instead...

and I've also found you guys on Facebook....excellent pages both!

Cheers,
Kev.
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Unread 09-24-2013, 11:11 PM
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You need to ask yourself, what would cause the bearing/bush to want to spin to cause damage like that ?
Probably, the PO trying to close the cases when the pin wasn't located.
I cant believe that that bush could lock up.

Sam.
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Unread 09-25-2013, 12:50 AM
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Hey Sam,
Yeah, I have thought about how it could happen....the way it was bent was to the side, I'm thinking that it was an axial load, not a radial. I don't think the bush could generate that sort of spinning force considering the clearance it has on the c/shaft shaft. A sideways load...?....I like your idea of an assembly oops
but could other oopsers (?) include:
Chain has been dropped off at sometime as the outside edge of the rear sprocket carrier has the outside edge rounded off
Cylinder head shows rubbing from cam chain (loose or broken?)
Piston has been 'smoothed off' and one oil drain hole below oil ring has been blocked off completely (looks like solid aluminium?)...been filed!
Piston ring lands are missing chuncks
Piston rings appear to have excessive side clearances
Cylinder head combustion chambers have heaps of dents

?....I'm wondering if she's had a piston lock-up at some stage (maybe causing the sprocket carrier/trans damage?), then the PO has done a half-hearted rebuild with race rings instead of the thicker std ones....and it was after this point that the circlip has decided to depart the groove (the circlip groove has been bent out on the side with minimal metal)

Always good fun to try and work out what has gone wrong with a machine when you pull it apart

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Kev.
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Unread 09-25-2013, 05:38 AM
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Doing engine forensics is fun and frustrating isn't it?
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Unread 09-25-2013, 08:40 AM
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This engine death sounds like it was a result of a sloppy rebuild combined with excessive rpms. It probably happened under full throttle. I can see/hear it now....

Winding out the gears and at the highest rpm/load the drive chain breaks. The engine screams at max +rpms and the sloppy work let go and parts pieces fall everywhere...BANG-STOP!

Make sure you have the crankshaft checked out when you repair the engine. I have a set of original std pistons for the CA95 I can send down if you need them.
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Unread 09-26-2013, 10:50 AM
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To be honest, looking at the marking on the inside of the case could suggest a gearbox explosion and lockup at high revs.

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